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Brexit: The Movie[edit]

@Okev1: I believe this should be included with the Leave campaigns. It was a significant component of the campaign and got a lot of news coverage. Similar to Bpoplive. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} | talk | contribs) 19:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Now that there is a more appropriate section, I've re-added this link there, along with its cousin article, The European Union: In or Out. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} | talk | contribs) 08:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Splitting Withdrawal Section[edit]

The withdrawal section is getting quite large and clunky and I can only see it expanding as time progresses. Perhaps now is the time to split into two sections e.g. 2016 Referendum (containing build-up to, campaigns in and direct aftermath of the referendum) and Withdrawal (containing Article 50 and its activation, negotiations, new government departments and any effects of Brexit itself). Legendiii 18:23, 17 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legendiii (talkcontribs)

Creation of "Calls for a second vote" section[edit]

I've created the "Calls for a second vote" section due to the following rationale:

  • to continue the process of reducing the size of the "withdrawl" section;
  • to reflect the launch of the People's Vote campaign calling for a vote on the final deal, the campaign brings together several groups opposed to Brexit (to have it in the "withdrawl" section is therefore inaccurate);
  • to better reflect the passage of the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill through Parliament;
  • to comply with WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE, it is not Wikipedia's job to state that Brexit is a fait accompli, it is one of two possible outcomes.

--The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be "another vote" instead of "second vote"? As lots of people point out, the first vote was in the 1970s. EddieHugh (talk) 16:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
I wonder if there is an issue with the structure: Adhesion, membership and withdrawal are quite large topics, while Another referendum would only be a small act in this withdrawal episode, anyway.
I assume that it would provide more clarity to say in a first half there was adhesion and membership as part of frozen history, and in the second half the withdrawal logic (in it broader meaning including withdrawal itself and the new model) with its ongoing subtopics: 2016 referendum including its campaign, article 50, disagreement and opposition (if any) including the additional expected referendum, the withdrawal negotiation, the future relationship negotiation, the transition period and once started, the future relationship itself.
I also wonder if there is no something wrong with the title: United Kingdom in the European Union. While I agree that United Kingdom was in the European Union, and that currently it still is within it for few time, this few time is only about 307 days (less than 40 weeks) which means we are closer from an United Kingdom partly or totally out of the European Union than from the article 50 date. For this reason, I would like to suggest to change the title to the United Kingdom and the European Union, or might be better, the European Union and the United Kingdom even if it is also possible to have two templates, the other one could be History of United Kingdom in the EU, the other part could also be something such as the European Union and the United Kingdom: the new model or the European Union and the United Kingdom: the new framework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.185.253.51 (talk) 19:18, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
The referendum in 1975 was to join the European Community (Common Market). There has only been one vote on whether the UK stay in the European Union. There are reports today (27 May 2018) that £829,000 has been set aside to pay for the electoral watchdog's “activities relating to a European Parliamentary election in 2019”. Even if the UK come out then there will still be a transition period of probably around 2 years, that's on top of the 40 weeks. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
The 2nd/another vote (unlikely as it is) would almost certainly be on accepting the terms of the ongoing negotiations, rather than being a repeat of the last one, so would be different in nature, just as the 1975 one was. The template (entitled "United Kingdom in the European Union") includes the 1975 referendum, so it's not only about the period following the creation of the EU. The template already has "Post-referendum organisations"; People's Vote could be in that. Splitting off one minor (currently, at least) aspect – calls for 2nd/another vote – draws attention to it, the very opposite of NPOV and UNDUE, and thus looks like agenda-pushing.
I agree that the United Kingdom and the European Union makes more sense: it covers what the template covers (before, during and leaves space for the probable after). EddieHugh (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
And... I see that some of the links in the Calls section are just redirects to People's Vote. This makes it look even more like agenda-pushing. EddieHugh (talk) 15:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
The £829,000 is probably just a provision for risk: The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification (...), unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. This would require to be accepted by the European Council; do you believe Mariano Rajoy, Emmanuel Macron, Leo Varadkar, Paolo Gentilonin, Angela Merkel, Jean-Claude Juncker, and Donald Tusk could agree to give one more day to the UK? Why would they do so? For the Nigel Farage flatteries? Or will the UK provide some argument to stay some more time? And will the MP who so passionately voted for a Brexit would accept such an extension? Anyway, I am not sure the government of the Queen has ever explained such a will. In this sense, this idea looks quite like an original research unless it is sourced or there is a secret conspiracy.
Then, you speak of the transition period of probably around 2 years, but a transition period is not an extension period. Although the British mess might be confusing. Just to say you cannot add the 305 days and the two years.
So, within 305 days (European and German time) there is a deal for an extension period, or the UK is brexited from the EU, possibly with a transition period. It might be assumed that by that time such kind of things would have been decided. Nothing decided would probably means no deal. Just remember that on december 2016, the sixth, EU Brexit chief Barnier warns UK has less than two years to agree exit (according to financial times archive: Deadline for decision is in October 2018)
Might be the template should be split in two parts History vs “uncharted waters”:current Brexit issues, talk, theories and plans for the future — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.185.253.51 (talk) 22:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment It doesn't seem that the information listed actually refers to a call for a second referendum, but rather advocacy for maintaining close ties to Europe through the softest Brexit option possible. Article 50 was already triggered, so if I'm not mistaken the option of remaining a full member is not on the table anymore, so pro-EU advocacy is now primarily focused on negotiating a Brexit where the UK's politics and economy would still be so closely tied to Europe de jure that they would function as a member de facto. In short, People's Vote is a call for the people to decide the Brexit deal, not a call for another vote on whether or not there will be a deal. The title should be modified to more accurately account for this. If there's any way to shorten "Calls for a vote on the Brexit deal" or "Calls for a vote on negotiations" then that would be less ambiguous and not imply that these are calls for a second referendum. Additionally, as other have pointed out, the first vote was decades ago. The Brexit referendum that led to the current situation was actually the second, and the calls for a future vote are to let Britain decide what type of Brexit it wants. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 08:09, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
A week ago I would probably have agreed with a change to "Calls for a vote on the Brexit deal" but then George Soros donated £400,000 to Best for Britain (a group I hadn't heard of). They are asking for two things link:
  1. Do you support giving the people a vote on the Brexit deal?
  2. Do you agree the people's vote should include an option to remain in the EU?
That goes further than the People's Vote. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
On the other side, speaking in Berlin Sir Alan Duncan, minister of state at the department, said voters would not be allowed to reverse the original decision to leave the EU under such a plebiscite, but would get “the choice would be between the exit deal on offer or having no deal at all”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.193.103.212 (talk) 19:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

My proposal in three parts: 1/ Historic membership 2/ Brexit commitment decision 3/ Ongoing Brexit issues[edit]

Hello, here is My proposal in three parts: 1/ Historic membership 2/ Brexit commitment decision 3/ Ongoing Brexit issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.185.253.51 (talk) 22:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Genesis and branding of the Brexit[edit]

While it is quite clear that the UK Independence Party had reached some notability in the European Parliament election, 1999 (United Kingdom), I did not see in this template any link to any article related to the Brexit wording/branding and its genesis, nonetheless, it looks like the Brexit wording is quite old:

The Brexit word appears in Google Trends in the year 2008 during the week from November the 16th till November the 22th, in Indonesia: https://trends.google.fr/trends/explore?date=2008-01-01%202008-12-31&q=brexit,grexit

The Grexit word appears in Google Trends in the year 2007 during the week from November the 25th till December the first, in Bulgaria: https://trends.google.fr/trends/explore?date=2007-01-01 2007-12-31&q=brexit,grexit,GREXIT

The Brexit word appears in Google Trends in the year 2005 during the week from December the 18th till December the 24th, in (???): https://trends.google.fr/trends/explore?date=2005-01-01%202005-12-31&q=brexit,grexit,nexit

The Grexit word appears in Google Trends in the year 2004 during the week from February the 29th till march the sixth, in the United States: https://trends.google.fr/trends/explore?date=2004-01-01%202004-12-31&q=brexit,grexit,nexit

The Nexit word appears in Google Trends in the year 2004 in Finland, Italy, United-States: https://trends.google.fr/trends/explore?date=2004-01-01%202004-12-31&q=brexit,grexit,nexit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.188.100 (talk) 10:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

If you click on the word "Withdrawl" on the template it redirects to the article on Brexit. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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